@Joseph Yeah, but Guilli Guilli runs the house now, and be damned those that try to mess eith tech boi Cawl,lest they want Mars wrath. Trust me i dont really like Papasmurf, but he is a way better Leader than the bloodthirsty , trigger happy morons of the inquisition.
40k debates always go nowhere because half of the people talking haven't read any books in years and got their info from wiki pages that get edited once every 10 years.
Also note that, if we are talking about the wargame aspect, it *IS* actually possible for a single marine to beat crazy odds just due to the way the dice rolls. Remember the tale of the Lv3 paladin that killed a demi-god by botching a roll so hard on a sword strike it decapitated both of them.
You have to thank the latest Ultramarine bull for the whole invincible marine thingy. The good lore depicts them as soldiers - tough, but still dying by the dozen on the field. Primarchs, on the other hand...
@Kate Blackwell: The Orks are subconciously psychic. They just believe painting it red makes the vehicles faster, and if they believe it then it happens. Same reason their strangely-put-together weapons work.
To some extent this is true, but certain individuals like Ventress, Issondon, or Bjorn it's quite possible that those elites really are as capable as the stories suggest.
In those very same Ciaphas Cain books they had single Space Marine murder an entire company with barely a scratch and 50 marines were considered "gross overkill" for taking a backwater planet.
SC2 marine is the equal of a Space Marine. Yes, the Space Marine has godlike training a marine can barely dream of. But when it's space war, every one has a supersonic assault rifle, and orbital bombardment is a thing, your 1000 Master Chiefs don't stack up to 10,000 focus firing idiots with guns.
No, no, you got it mostly right. Just look at the Ciaphias Cain series; it outright SAYS that most of the stories the common man hears is lies and propaganda.
Youre not completly wrong Jo, a lot of the space marine lore has been written by space marine loving faggots who are trying to make them into theire own personal mary sues.
@Beastwolf: There are about 1,000 Space Marine Chapters in the canon right now. Those that are not compliant with Codex Astartes will have their own limits, but chapters that are compliant with it will have the upper limit of 1,000 Space Marines per Chapter, divided into 10 companies.
Nah, that's about right. Great as they are, Space Marines still die a LOT. There's just some standout hardasses among them. But there's standout hardasses everywhere. The Guard has a slew of them, the Tau have Kais and Or'Es'Ka...
