A little unnerving that Morgan is swooning over the Genocide Route. While everyone is free to enjoy the game any way they like, being that cheery after unnecessarily murdering all the characters strikes of sociopathic tendencies.

If you don't like the fanbase, ignore it.
If you like the game, at least accept the fact that other people may not like things that you personally do, and respect their opinions, and vice verca if you DON'T enjoy Undertale. Respect people's opinions.

How the fuck is she so happy? To get that ending she had to wipe out all the charactors you normally interact with in the game, and it seems like she won, the following scenes will fill her with great sadness, or anger because of how BS it is that you CANNOT EVEN KILL TH-

@Censuur: I think you are just too stupid to get the message that Undertale was trying to impart. Interesting art will do that you know, divide it into those that understand and accept, and those that prefer arrogant ignorance.

Still missing the point, Toriel asks you to show your determination, not your "strength" and if anything showing her your determination by defending yourself competently against her attacks should do just that. But apparently she was suicidal because giving her what she asks for leads to her death.

@Censuur
cont.
She can't bring herself to harm the PC or to let them go. So you are right in that the choice is not between the options the game tells you it is.
You either have to make the choice for her by killing her or to guilt-trip her into accepting your decision.

@Censuur
While it might very well be an oversight, but IMO the threshold that would convince Toriel that PC is strong enough without murdering her doesn't exist for a very good reason.

@Michael Leue: Bad media tends to do that Michael, just look at things like Twilight, 50 Shades of Grey and the sort. The community will always be split between people easily amused and those with actual standards and norms.

As for Floirt; called me out on what, exactly?

@Censuur tbh you're just salty because flowey called you out

Not literally tho...

I see myself in Morgan all to much

http://prntscr.com/9kz80v why is morgan less brown

The fact that Undertale splits the gaming community into two groups that aren't easily defined in any other way is incredibly interesting to me. It certainly proves that Undertale is a valuable, artistic game. Games that try to appeal to everyone always suck anyway. People just have different tastes

@Censuur
The Toriel fight is pretty bad, esp. as the first Froggit tells you to weaken her.
But the rest of the game makes up for it.
@GK
As for Geno, you're going to have a bad, boring, upsetting time. Permanent consequences for pushing through this completes this, and isn't a problem.

@Sidney Ahlin: Irrelevant, not only have several people died before you, this event apparently hasn't stopped the monsters from continuing what they were doing, but also Flowey tries to kill you at the start, form a character perspective you'd have to be retarded not to think the monsters harmful.

@Censuur This is actually explained in the game, just depends on how much you explore, talk and read, can also require you to do Genocide to understand it.

Almost all monsters do NOT in fact try to kill you, the magic isn't meant to hurt. You can read this in the Snowden library.

@Lumino: That was not even my main gripe, the main thing is just how absurd the entire exchange with Toriel is.

Monsters try to kill you, but proving you won't defend yourself is good enough for her to let you pass? Fighting back and proving your determination will upset her so much she dies?

@Censuur: You are aware that you don't HAVE to do a Pure Pacifist run if you don't want to, right?

Also, I believe the game actually wanted most players to kill Toriel, then reset to try again, and get the special message from Flowey revealing that he is aware of your ability to Save and Load.

how has it taken you this long to make an undertale comic

@Matthew Horstman: 3: I don't mind the obscure ways of saving them, what I do mind is intentionally sabotaging player choice. It also makes no damn sense, Toriel warns you everyone else died and then you show her you're "determined" by doing the very thing that would ensure you'd get killed: nothing

@Matthew Horstman: 1: Explained doesn't change a damn thing, they murder you, pacifism is entirely unreasonable

2: Inconsistent in that it doesn't work, they go with a system that only works in pure fiction (befriend murderers through pacifism) and combine it with meta messages about saving.

@Dorian Nest Valgav: Why are you trying to force a gray area that isn't intended
Cut the bullshit. The game downright tells you showing mercy after fighting is a mechanic, and intentionally sabotages you attempting this on Toriel.

But no, pacifism when faced with murder is reasonable though!

I do find it funny when the fringe (i.e. gamers) gets into a civil war because of a single game. It's rather adorable in how pathetic it all looks. Even funnier when gamers start calling other gamers "psychos" when they ALL act like that toward their favorite game.

Anyway, I still think Undertale is my favorite game this year. The fanatical fans, not so much. But I think if Itoi himself were asked to choose which game he'd consider Earthbound's successor, it'd be Undertale.

Yeah, it's not the goddamn second coming, but it's a genuinely excellent game.

@Demonologist: Meh, 'Game of the year' is an outdated and arbitrary term that needs to cover a cliff edge in ice and speed-skate its way to oblivion anyway.

It's a good game, just not Game of the year material & highly overrated by it's psychotic fanbase

Currently on sale on Steam and Undertale.com, get it while it's hot. Very good game, you get to date a spaghetti-obsessed skeleton, 10/10.

Jane needs to play that fight before dissing

Best game.

over-rated indie garbage

@Censuur: 3:While I'll agree that some of the solutions to sparing bosses could be better conveyed, that doesn't mean it undermines or takes your choices away. It just means you chose poorly. Unintended consequences are consequences, too.

@Censuur: 1: The monsters try to murder you for reasons that are entirely explained and entirely understandable, though not justified.

2: Mixing fantasy with real-world messages is inconsistent? What? Half of fantasy is metaphor, dude.

@Censuur. Weaken Toriel?! Are you trying to catch a pokémon dude?! If the premise of the game is KILL or AVOID FIGHTING, why are you trying to force a gray area that isn't intended? XD

On days like these, soldiers like you...

By the way it's the only game that I can remember, where it's more fun not to fight the enemies.

Once again, Jane doesn't like good games. What a surprise.

While Undertale isn't at the top of my gaming list. There are games worse out there I'd avoid like the black plague.

Don't lie to yourself, Jane! Undertale is overrated garbage!

Worst of all, it threatens consequences for your "choices" and summarily undermines and takes away your choices and ability to choose as you make them. Toriel for example tells you to show your determination, but if you choose to weaken her the game will kill her off when she gets to half health.

Now normally that wouldn't be so bad, but they mixed it with the way the game saves your actions and some kind of "you cannot escape consequences" meta-message, mixing pure fantasy with meta-messages makes for an incredibly superficial experience.

@Kyle Novich: The problem is the message is entirely inconsistent and illogical.

Sure, the monsters will fucking murder you on sight, but you need to be patient and understanding because that will make them all love you unconditionally!

Sorry bub, world doesn't work that way.

@Robert Spalding: "I can't get into the story, the game itself just feels too clever and manipulative to trust" Okay, a sincere thank you. This perfectly articulates my problems with the game. Like, it all stank of everything being in service to the message of the game.

Eyepatch for Morgan, when?

Undertale is what I cite in an argument whether or not games can be art.

It can; Overblown hipster garbage with no genuine merits, art indeed.

Undertale legit made me cry. I can understand its overhyped as f but for a good reason.

I like Undertale, but I think it's overrated. Telling a joke, it's an Easter Egg Simulator, the whole charms comes from there LOL XD. It's an amazing game, but yeah, as a reaction I'll not go further than 'it's cool' XD

Hey, this is actually cute.

@Chloe Ceto Oh man seriously, I loved Iji. That was more based around violence/non-violence in a battle situation, and how you still need to hold your own in a fight. Undertale is more about the power a player holds in a game, and calling them out for abusing that power.

@Shadowfury
being a pc gamer i would go and play pathologic and cryostasis, rage of mages and x-com 1, vangers etc
not a game which is is for what it is is a NES game
post modern is dead
you can't make post modern game because it's interactive media and is narrated through interaction

Best PC-exclusive RPG ever made, hands down. If you consider yourself a gamer, you'll ignore all the tumblr-related shit and those inmature fanboys and just enjoy the game for what it is.

@Robert Spalding: Funny thing, I've been reading reddit posts from people demanding trigger warnings because of how often the 4th wall is being broken. They claim it's cause "i can't even trust my own computer", then commenting on how it's used in abusive aggressive behavioral modification.

I think it's a good game, best $10 I've spent on Steam. The thing about the 'HIPSTERSJWSHIT' fanbase is that they've been starved for a game that passed the Bechdel test, ironically becoming the satirical character that Bechdel wrote. Also, Jo passed up a good UnderTail joke.

I haven't played Undertale, but from what I gather it's basically a love letter to oldschool adventure games and JRPGs like Earthbound, which is enough to make it noteworthy in my book.

I do have to wonder why people are more bothered by Excited Fans when it's a small indie title rather than AAA.

@Zero: So, what exactly is your point? You don't like it, so you don't want other people to be discussing it? I have 0 feelings other then disinterest towards you; can I reasonably expect you to shut up and go away? No, and that's something I can deal with, because I'm, you know, an adult.

@Matthew Horstman: The irony of someone calling another person a hipster in defense of another NES pixel wankfest.

The problem is that people won't shut up about it. I have no feelings on the game other than disinterest, it's the overzealous fans that aggravate me. It's the FNAF fanbase 2.0

Everyone are using the workd "hyped". Doesnt it mean a game getting too much expectative before being launched? This game's cult formed after the release, so it's not "hype" it's just a lot of fans. "you keep using this word, I dont think it means what you think it means"

@Musculus: Implying we need to stfu about MGSV

@Matthew Horstman: I'm sorry to blow your mind, but its exactly what happens, a popular youtuber does a video on it, for example, and suddenly its the new top game. Yeah, its not artificial at all.

@META_mahn: Don't think I can. Pacifist run Undertale makes me feel like I'm being love-bombed by a very smart, charismatic, and deeply creepy cult recruiter. I can't get into the story, the game itself just feels too clever and manipulative to trust.

@Robert Spalding: I suggest you keep playing. You've got a few more hours to go until you get to the part everyone blows up about.

As someone who usually avoids overhyped things, I found undertale before the hype and fandom crashed in.

I adore it, but people overdo it, and act like it's God. To me, it resonated, but it's certainly not for everyone, and I appreciate this comic for saying it. It's good, not be all end all.

Even just watching lets plays of the game was fun. But despite how sweet it looked, I'll be damned if I ever give money to a game that permanently penalizes players in all subsequent playthroughs if they ever complete a genocide run.

I was really enjoying Undertale until I did... something horrible... and I felt so bad I couldn't enjoy the bits after. I may try to pick it back up, or just start over. Not sure.

Me and a friend of mine have been trying to figure out what determines whether or not someone likes Undertale for a while now. (She loved it, I ditched three hours into my first run, pacifist, because I just couldn't bring myself to give a shit about any of it.) Seems to be just luck of the draw...

I just came here to see people complain about the game's fanbase or the fact the game is hyped as shit, I played it with little to no expectations because the game honestly looked like shit, and every time I thought that, I was proved wrong, I loved it btw.

@Zero: It's not that you're not allowed to not care. It's that if you try to be a hipster by going out of your way to talk about how little you care about something, you're gonna get called on it.

People are allowed to post about things they like on the internet. Deal.

Eh, it was a good game. Good soundtrack, nice metafiction-elements, decent gameplay... otherwise it wasn't exactly mind-blowing. 8/10, would play again, not the second coming of Christ.

@Eduardo Silva: "A bunch of people like something I don't, it mus be artificial"

WE NEED SEXY CUTE MUFFET

90% of the hype about this game is artificial hype.

@Zero Those who are pissed about Undertale are usually the same ones who couldn't shut the fuck up about MGSV for months

even such garbage as far cry 4 and boredlands2 handled the GAME narrative better than this tumblr the game

I was honestly a bit underwhelmed by undertale. It's a decent enough game but I suffered heavily from 'Oh lord all this hype' and not living up to being the second coming of Christ.

I preferred Iji personally for 'Talking about violence/non-violence in a game'. Still, to each their own.

@Boomfly wait what

First time I see our pyro do something a TF pyro would do - murder everyone for fun.

Do you know why people grow to hate games they've never played? Because they can't go five fucking seconds on the internet without hearing someone gush over Undertale. It's like you're not allowed to not give a damn about the new "best gaem evar".

@Swagner oh come on we all know it's not, as well as every single zelda or FF game does not deserve that as well. At least Oot did not won. (My Best game ever was not even in that poll >.>)

@Raxyz: Yeah, it's got an amazing soundtrack! Overall, it's a great game, although I don't think it deserves the "best game EVER" title that's been thrust upon it.

Jane: "but where are the graphics?"

I haven't played it yet. Got curious to actually playing it after stubling upon its soundtrack. Battle Against a Heroine alone makes me want to play that game. XD

Sooo i guess you finnaly played it and liked it? ;)

If you don't tell someone who's played Undertale that it's the greatest thing ever,

Your gonna have a Bad Time.