What people are saying about "Cosmetics"
Cosmetics
Comments have been closed for this comic.
Antifun
over 11 years ago
@whiny man: That's my boy! ;)
Bob
over 11 years ago
(Cont.)

playing for a change. Seriously, game companies just keep releasing garbage simply because people are willing to buy these awful games.
Bob
over 11 years ago
So, the point this comic is making is that if you're going to spend money wastefully, you should spend it on something you will use?

Have you not considered not spending the money at all? If you didn't spend that money on something useless, maybe game companies would make games actually worth
Just saying2
over 11 years ago
and simply still win with player ability and skill, even in a mirror match. Over all player skill will always triumph over the miniscule 20damage here or 5% recovery rate there. I also am more then happy with champion rotation, makes players learn more, and saves from sterile gameplay.
Just saying
over 11 years ago
You all claim that LoL is pay to win due to the "drastic endgame Runes" you can obtain with faster IP rates. See i have a problem with this, i know for a fact *as i've done it many a times* you can go into a match in the high 20 ranks without a single rune on
whiny man
over 11 years ago
@Rylai CrystalMaiden: roleplaying faggot. Just say 'Why doesn't CM get a set like that?', it's not hard. Besides CM has the best set, ever.
whiny man
over 11 years ago
@Rylai CrystalMaiden: roleplaying faggot. Just say 'Why doesn't CM get a set like that?', it's not hard. Besides CM has the best set, ever.
Hazama
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_262015]@Canucka[/url]: I got it for free, and then gave away 15 steam keys for it. $0.02 wasted, my friend, $0.02 wasted...
Stuff
over 11 years ago
I'm with Jo on this one. Even after 5 years, I still buy the occasional key or item on TF2 and I know it'll be a 'better' purchase, then a new game. It might be more reasonable to not buy anything and save up, but if I do buy something, I might as well make sure I'll use it.
FAIL
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_262015]@Canucka[/url]: paying for a free game
over 11 years ago
I got Dota2 for $ 0.02 on the steam market XD
Red
over 11 years ago
@Mind = tootled
What's strange about that?
Mind = tootled
over 11 years ago
Nerfnow comics
nerfnow.com/
Nerfnow.com/comic/969
ARE BOTH THR SAME O.o
mindfaQ
over 11 years ago
In the end it is all about whether or not you want to support Dota 2 or not and to which amount. It's not like LoL where gameplay relevant elements are kept from you and you are urged into buying that stuff to get a less annoying game experience.
panties, panties everywhere
over 11 years ago
This is why panties DotaLoL sucks....
Rylai CrystalMaiden
over 11 years ago
Why my sister Lina has this special item set while I don't have one? Am I not pretty enough for a special set too? :(
@Palazzo
over 11 years ago
We get it, you either have no life and play over 4 hours a day (so you get to afford everything you need), or you play at such low level that the power-cycling Riot does with the game balance doesn't affect you.

Either way, your opinion isn't relevant. Chu's opinion is, though.
Il Palazzo-sama
over 11 years ago
(6/6)
blessings.
Gladfully in that regard, there's always a Riot-sanctioned friendly and helpful great leader in my team, even when solo queuing. (spoiler : that would be me)

TL;DR : blablabla, no one cares.
Il Palazzo-sama
over 11 years ago
(5/6)
(full disclosure: I did buy some P2W things in LoL, but at the same order of magnitude than what I would have had to pay in order to play a non-F2P game)

All that remains once playing is your skill with the roles you play (including a focused AND mastered roaster) and the matchmaking's
Il Palazzo-sama
over 11 years ago
(4/6)
Teemo skins + Warmog stacking = free win (everyone hate you since you paid a Teemo skin, and will try to kill you at all costs even tough you are a tank)

As far as I have experienced, there is no impactful P2W aspect in a LoL players life if no mistakes are made when buying champions.
Il Palazzo-sama
over 11 years ago
(3/6)
every champion in every role (that is you have no life outside LoL, thus having all the IPs needed already) and if you choose carefully the champions you buy (using the free week champion rotation), you shouldn't run dry on IPs.
- skins: here lies the only uncontestable P2W aspect in LoL:
Il Palazzo-sama
over 11 years ago
(2/6)
unsatisfied with your champion roaster at the time.
- rune pages: icing on the cake, not needed if you are focused enough in champions.
- champions: would really matter only in drafts. (to allow trades, but it's a very bad idea anyway in non-premade queue) If you are not trying to master
Il Palazzo-sama
over 11 years ago
(1/6)
On P2W in LoL:
- XP boosts: noob trap.
- runes: only a concern from level 20 to a few weeks after reaching level 30, while everyone is not properly equipped and it matters. But using your IPs on those should be your priority at that time, so it would only be detrimental to you if you are
Pudge
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261930]@Lina[/url]: Bitch please
Lina
over 11 years ago
So everyone now agrees I'm the hottest girl in town? <3
 
over 11 years ago
@Lighting a Fire: anything is better than pulsefire Ez if it costs more. Because there is no reason to buy anything of those except being able to show others that you can throw money away.
Lighting a Fire
over 11 years ago
Fiery soul is still better than pulsefire ezreal
COME AT ME
Rola
over 11 years ago
So again, both titles are great. I play both and I don't really like one over the other. I enjoy DOTA2's actual, 100% free to play model, but I hate its community. Meanwhile I enjoy LoL's community support and overall design better, but I can't stand that you have to pay to unlock characters.
Rola
over 11 years ago
So while LoL may qualify as a Pay to Win title, it still has a better community than DOTA2 (if ever slightly, thanks to the Tribunal) and is overall easier to learn to play. DOTA2 on the other hand can tote that it is 100% free and nobody gets a single advantage over anyone else. It's life.
Rola
over 11 years ago
@O.O is ultimately correct. Whether or not you think they are minor (and I don't think restricting access to characters is minor at all, runes are another matter), LoL still has features that qualify for Pay to Win. DOTA2 does not. Both games are great, but you have to learn to accept their flaws.
Rhodo
over 11 years ago
You're one of those people? I pity you. :)
Sure
over 11 years ago
...so the only excuse for not knowing that champ is not playing the game.
Sure
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261858]@Rola[/url]: you simply cannot buy tier 3 runes before level 20 and T1&2 runes are crap. So the only real advantage you get with IP boost is diversity of champions. But as I said before you will end up playing 5 champs 90% of all time. Every new champ will be in free rotation in 2 weeks after release...
O.O
over 11 years ago
Time is a resource so LoL is still pay to win. Either you pay with money or time to keep up or stay runeless and be left behind. Doesn't matter if you play once a month in dota you are still evenly matched to those who play everyday.
Rola
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261851]@Sure[/url]: Still means that someone who's using IP boosts and getting bonus IP from his purchases (it's happened) is going to be able to afford runes before, not to mention he won't be limited to using whatever heroes are up for grabs, and will be able to better complement his team and learn to play.
Sure
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261833]@Rola[/url]: at level 20 you already have enough IP to buy full rune set for one role. Before level 20 runes aren't worth buying. So boosts don't give you any advantage since matchmaking are trying to place same level in one game.
Rola
over 11 years ago
You can buy IP boosts with RP which lets you get runes much much faster, so it's all the same. This isn't about LoL sucking, I love LoL, I love DOTA2 too, but I can also see that if you have money, LoL is going to be easier for you since you can buy all the heroes you want and get runes/exp faster.
Deo
over 11 years ago
whoever says lol is P2W is retard, simple as that.
Tiger
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261805]@Dri[/url]: Dri is a Dota2 fanboy who knows nothing about LoL Everyone else knows you can't buy runes with real money and he's fucking stupid. You don't need to draw your own conclusion here.
Dr. Wolfenhausen
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261805]@Dri[/url] You do realize you can't buy runes with RP right? Yes you can buy rune pages, but to be quite honest all you need is 3-5 pages, everything else is "specialized" to cater to specific champs. All in all this P2W mindset to LoL is pretty much null and void.
Your mom
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261805]@Dri[/url] That LoL is pay-to-win?
Dri
over 11 years ago
DOTA2 lets you buy cosmetic items that change nothing to the game and allows them to generate money for their 100% free to play game.

LoL lets you buy non-cosmetic items that eliminate the need to play for countless months to get the best runes and heroes.

Draw your own conclusions.
panty gnome
over 11 years ago
Phase 1: Collect underpants.
Phase 2: ??????
Phase 3: Profit.
Mel
over 11 years ago
LoLshitters please go, there's a world of difference between optional cosmetic items that support an amazing game developer and pay2win bullshit that supports a scumbag company.
Dealwithit
over 11 years ago
this is why league sucks.
anon
over 11 years ago
Also Dota 2 has definitely lost any claim of moral high ground over LoL.
anon
over 11 years ago
It would have been an automatic purchase for me if the price tag weren't insulting. I think they probably actually lost money by making it so ridiculous. Valve really isn't better than Blizzard and EA at this point. Fanboys can suck dick.
Kanifol
over 11 years ago
Engie in Hatsune Miku's striped blue panties? DO WANT
My Pen15
over 11 years ago
I spent all my money on cosmetic items. I look so swag on the internets that the haters always get mad.
Me
over 11 years ago
I would've bought the item if the price tag wasn't absurd.
25 Euro for a different look and two new spell icons.
It's not like you can download both of those from the workshop for free or anything...
dealwithit
over 11 years ago
this is the reason why dota 2 sucks
Il Palazzo-sama
over 11 years ago
Blue and green shimapans are serious business.

Also, LoL and TF2 are only pay2win to the extend that you are not playing them enough to have everything you need already.
Ninj77
over 11 years ago
Flaming heads and blue panties.... these are serious business guys!!!
eve player
over 11 years ago
the monocle was just the tip of the iceberg - the issue was not the item itself but everything it came to stand for (developers ignoring CSM input, lack of development focus & financial overextension, :18months:, talking of customers as cashcows, ...)
eve player
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261646]@Xion[/url]: "I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I’d like to sell a lot more than vanity items." that was CCP's Lead Game Designer in Fearless. ... and consider CCP's attempt to sell neural remaps (P2W) for PLEX just a year earlier (aborted due to community outrage).
pong
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261646]@Xion[/url] both those games are F2P though, EVE is not. And for the record, I don't play DOTA or TF2.
eve player
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261646]@Xion[/url]: CCP was trying to charge a monthly fee AND profit from microtransactions. You don't see people complaining about MTs in DUST 514. There were *many* other issues at play but at the core people resented being charged twice for a feature (WiS) that was detrimental to the game.
Anonymous
over 11 years ago
Dear Jo,
I would like to point out that you are now obliged to make the next comic strip about engie actually wearing these or we'd all will see her purchase as unjustified and you'd be setting bad example for kids.
Think of the kid, Jo.
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261646]@Xion[/url]: I personally don't buy many cosmetics. However, I think people who buy expensive cosmetics get more from it than people who buy games they don't play, and this is my point. One is burning money and the other is using it has a napkin.
Xion
over 11 years ago
CCP Charges $70 for a monocle = Greedy, shady business.

Valve Charges $35 to make Lina slightly more fiery = Totally legit. Better yet, Valve charges $35 to make Lina look like the artwork they made for her ages ago.

I enjoy Dota 2 but Jo is going full-on fanboy-goggles on this.
Sure
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261616]@Scoops[/url]: and my statistic says that I used 5 champions in 90% of my games. So do i really need other champions to play LoL or it's more like pokemon game where i have to collect all of them?
over 11 years ago
Witch Cap>bald burning head.

plus I just wait for diretide/frostivus kind of events.

easter is coming.
Iceholder
over 11 years ago
Hell, even the 3150 champs aren't hard to get IP for. Yes it helps the team to have more champions unlocked, but it's not a necessity. I agree that their model encourages people to buy champions, but not anymore than TF2's model encourages people to buy weapons/keys.
Iceholder
over 11 years ago
You can't buy every champion with IP in a short amount of time. You can, however, buy a damn good selection with IP in a short amount of time. 450 and 1350 IP champions are extremely easy to save up for if you're playing PvP, and they're more than enough to get the job done.
Scoops
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261615]@Scoops[/url]: And having more champions not only gives you a greater range of options, it gives you an advantage when playing draft mode games. It allows you to effectively pick/counterpick, and to be able to trade any champ with allies.
Scoops
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261613]@Zero[/url]: You can't realistically claim that you can buy every champ in LoL with IP in a short amount of time. The total cost when there were 97 champs according to this post http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=674026 is 355800, plus the new champs since. You get 100-300 a game.
Zero
over 11 years ago
Continued, every champion's base for free as long as you play the game. If Skins had effect on gameplay then you would be on to something. But they don't. Unless you you believe they do. (Which they don't)
Kelenius
over 11 years ago
Did you get paid by Valve? :P
Zero
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261566]@Mel[/url] If League of Legends if Pay to Win. Then Tabletop games are Pay to Decimate, roflstomp, and utterly annihilate. Go try to play Tabletop warhammer or a TCG. Those are real examples of pay to win. LoL as far as I know does not have any heroes that are blatantly broken. Further, You can unlock..
Actually
over 11 years ago
I was thinking about buying the Flaming Head for Lina, then I noticed I only play random or single draft so it's not really likely that I'll get Lina anyway. Also ARMA 3 is 32 dollars which is cheaper so my money goes for that.
Zacsi
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_261579]@Zacsi[/url]: That said, I still buy some TF2 keys once in a while because I view it as donate button to Valve. And my sister plays a lot of LoL so buying Riot points for her is basically a "Get of Jail Free" card for me every time her Birthday, Christmas, etc. rolls around.
Zacsi
over 11 years ago
Once I wise man on a podcast told me that if you are spending all your money on pointless cosmetics or games you are not going to play, you have reached the burnout point of gaming.

Take a break from gaming for a while and try some new hobbies Jo. Believe me it helps.
Kissamies
over 11 years ago
Spend the money on awesome Kickstarter projects instead. Even if you end up not playing it, the money goes for a good cause.
Mel
over 11 years ago
Riotdrones out in full force trying to take advantage of this non-issue, it's really pathetic that they don't see the difference in optional cosmetic stuff that Valve does and blatant pay2win shit like Riot pulls.
Stranger
over 11 years ago
That's always a good way to see it.
???
over 11 years ago
I would, but then again, I am poor /:
First
over 11 years ago
The Fiery Soul of the Slayer is droppable