Epic Sax Guy popping up to present one more viewpoint:
Unfortunately, perfection can be REPETITIVE
Unfortunately, perfection can be REPETITIVE
Unfortunately, perfection can be REPETITIVE
Unfortunately, perfection can be REPETITIVE

A year old but someone is gonna see this eventually:

This is just another example of hardcore's bitterness as they realize that history is Not Going To Go Their Way.

Yeah you're a special snowflake, like a jazz player. Nobody cares.

Bah. Is this reference to the game, or the gamer?

Why do game companies cater to hardcore audiences?

Hardcore:
Will likely play a game through and support the game's company (if warranted).
Very voiced; supportive of developing projects.

Casual:
You are lucky if they even own the game or its system.
Generally play free games.

I can see that you are those so called hardcore gamers but the gruel true is hardgore gamers are not real gamers they are just hight consumer gamers.

So casual gaming is fun to do, but no fun to watch?

Yeah, that's pretty much head on.

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I think that there is a case to be made here about presentation. Several thousand people playing an instrument indiscriminately will be less pleasant than one person playing it well. What happens when a skilled person has the Vuvuzela?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf2P8SnOwLo

So..this is like a snide comment on how the hardcore perceives things right, and grasps straws like these to justify how their kind is dying out, right?

Funniest commic ever.

While a casual gamer resents being compared to the vuvuzela. I greatly approve being compared to a saxophone.

I resent you being compared to gamers

obviously, "hardcore" is better for the intelligent.

so casual gaming is no fun to watch.

....

this makes sense.

i'm surprised only one person on here has also suffered on /b/ when that happened

I resent being compared vuvuzelas.

forgot to ask this a few comics back, who the fuck is frank and why whould i care?

@TheBaron87: The sun is bright during the day, and can't be seen at night. But does the sun at dawn or dusk appear to be as bright as the mid-day sun? Yeah, it's a continuum. There might be sharp climbs and falls, but it's not a light bulb. Are we still talking about games?

WE DECIDED TO CHALLAGE THE PUBLICSH BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GROW MASSIVE E-PAINIS! AT FRIST IT WAS JUST TO DO SOME NOOB BASHING, THEN VALVE GOT A BLOGZ ABOUT IT!@ ISN"T THAT CAWL?! WE KNOW WE GOIN TO WEEN!

Shoot man, the artist should create Team Fortress World Cup. That will be hilarious.

@Zan: Apparently, everyone's gotta be grouped.

Whatever happened to just being a gamer?

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http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/nerfnow.com

@Kumquat: Yeah, I guess they're just marketing. But still, it's a convenient label, cause (for example), I could not enjoy Wii games the same way I do TF2. Oh well.

In that same manner, very few TF2 players you see can really be considered "casual" (vs competitive). It's all just terminology

OH YEAH.

Hardcore casual game.


casual: you can play in freeplay and just fuck off and learn how to fight.

Hardcore: this is like a turn based matrix yet in fast motion after the fight...


Check out Toribash for some casual decapitations.
now THAT'S hrdcore.

Continued...

A game can be all of those most commonly through use of difficulty levels, but also through additional challenges or otherwise that are there for more experienced players to pursue.

A classic if dated example of this is Tetris due to it's gradual difficulty increase.

vuvuzelas win.

Figured I'd give my own descriptions:
Casual - Easy to Learn, Easy to Play.
Core - Moderately difficult but most experienced gamers will beat it without to much trouble given time.
Hardcore - Something that even experienced gamers find fairly hard.

A game can potentially be all of these.

OH GOD THE HORNS ARE BACK

NO

NOOOOOOOOO

...Then why is it that it's mostly the vuvuzuela players that are claiming to be hardcore?

Sweet JESUS. I am so sick of the vuvuzela! There are better words that aren't for definitively obnoxious things.

....but I know that I lack the experience and play time that one ought to have to consider themselves one. So I suck it up if I don't count as a "hardcore" gamer. I just enjoy playing my games, trying to get better; to think or try to do otherwise would make me what I just described: a poser

....but that doesn't put you on the same level as everyone else. Deal with it. You just can't jump in play with every other player on the interwebs.Thinking so makes you a poser. Every other activity has them, but for some reason people think gaming can not. I would like to think I'm a "gamer".....

.......some got smug, some got butthurt and now we have this flame war of egos going on. There are differences. These differences don't make you any better or inferior, just DIFFERENT. But when you get your ego and nagging sense of entitlement involved you get a mess. You may play a game or two...

I think terms like "gamer" and subsequently "hardcore " and "casual" gamer were originally thrown around by people who weren't even gamers themselves. Then the true gamers, while shaking our heads, noticed that there were ACTUAL differences between gamers. We pointed it out to each other......

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They need to ban soccer from vuvuzela concerts.

Of course, a badly played saxophone is far, far, more annoying than any vuvuzuela.

And whilst a daily cycle does have varying aspects, it is nowhere near as diverse as the stuff in games.

@TheBaron87 about @Nezuji: Games have tons of varying aspects that can't be realistically boiled down to X or Y. A 24-hour cycle is easier to define as day, night, dusk or dawn. So your attempt to compare two random subjects is pointless.

NoTorso you win so much with that photo note and if you want you could also win a torso

@Anon: >Implying the average person has the mental capacity to learn chess.

@Roderick: Thank you, I lol'd.

@Nezuji: So is everything. What, are you going to say the day isn't bright and the night isn't dark? They're just "on a continuum"?

3 photo notes are enough for anyone! -- Bill Gates, circa 1981.



WTF then where are they?

Why do my photo notes keep disappearing?

Um.. the sax player. where can I meet a guy like that? *^^*

@Lemure Zombie: Or Team Fortres-
OH GOD A GIANT CAT THAT SHOOTS BEES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1Ay85de3U
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This is an inside joke for two reasons.
Soccer games are full of these. Sounds like a swarm of bees. Check back on the USA vs Ghana match. Also, /b/ was forced to listen to a bzzzz .wave recently.

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NO, NOT THE BEES!

Fuck the "casual/hardcore" thing. They're just labels applied by "cool" people to define themselves. If "cool" gamers don't make themselves look cooler than the "hardcore" gamers (ie those with a passion for games), then they'll be put in the same group as the geeks and they don't want that.

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHH ITS LIKE A BEE SWARM

What the hell is this shi- ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOT- BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

@Alexthegreat, you blew my cover you bastard! I was on an important mission and you reveal my identity!

Um, what? You saying they sound anything alike? I PLAY a saxophone for a living.

The reason that the "hardcore vs casual" debate is nonsense for me is that games aren't an either-or proposition. It's a continuum. Unfortunately, putting pictures of other people playing kazoos, or singing karaoke, or playing Jazz Hero in between the two extremes would ruin the joke.

I wouldn't really consider that a description of Hardcore games.
I would consider that a description of your regular middle-of-the-road "Core" games that are too hard for casuals but aren't truly challenging to an experienced gamer.
COD is Core...CS is Hardcore.

totally agree, jazz is exactly like listening to a thousand vuvuzelas

http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/nerfnow.com/comic/330

I wouldn't exactly use the term popular, it seems it's only popular to South Africa, almost everyone else around the world hates it with a passion.

Games should cater to both casual and hardcore. They should be easy to get into and learn but impossible to master. Starcraft being an example.

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Hardcore? Casual? Who cares? You're both tossers.

Also, I can't say I mind the Vuvuzela's. I prefer it to the racial epithets and jingoistic bullshit that usually gets spouted at these games.

I would argue against "Popular"..

A MILLION ANGRY BEES

I think this comic is absolu-BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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PLAAAAAAAAAY!

so why are pea shooters casual again?

i never did like the vuvuzela's there the epitome of annoyance and me going into a rage when someone plays them

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Go to youtube, and search for

gandalf world cup

You won't regret it.

Fucking casuals.

Wait,if the saxaphone player is supposed to be hardcore, where re the fifty other allegedly hardcores drowning out the music with their arguments over every petty little mechanical detail of saxaphone playing?

I'd prefer the "bzzzt" to be honest.

I know this has something to do with soccer. Nothing more than that.

@Fire Storm: See @Vuvuzela enthusiast

Just because the horn is part of thier culture doesn't make it any less annoying.

OH GOD THE BEES. NOT THE BEES. AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!

Why wasn't this link in here before?
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.nerfnow.com/comic/330

@Armory: We do? I know I don't. Then again, the whole World Cup thing doesn't interest me that much in general--and the idiots with the annoying cheap plastic horns just make it worse.

this makes me sad
because it's true

Honestly, they could have handed out jars of bees to be thrown when a goal is scored instead of Vuvuzelas and it would have been less annoying.

@Skiffite: TOMMY GUN!

the U.S. OF A just LOST!

haters gon' hate

The W+1 Pyro is a player holds down W and mouse 1. Thus he/she charges forth with little disregard to itself and expects to get kills. Though every class could be considered a W+m1 class; the pyro was relatively the most effective at this tatic compared to other classes.

@Osmigos - it's W+M1 - W being the key you press to go forward, and M1 being Mouse-1, the fire key. It's a Pyro who just walks forward spraying fire.

It's been bugging me for a while... what the hell is a W+1 Pyro? (from the comment)

OH GOD NOT THE BEES!

@Chibito: Americans do.

Someone already touched on it, "Casual" and "Hardcore" are marketing terms. Like how, "Urban Market" is a marketing term companies use so they don't sound racist.

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You forgot one thing on argument on the "Casual" side:
It annoys the fuck out of everyone.

At first I thought it meant the debate was one sided because casuals don't really participate in it.

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Hornetman and the pain should be proud.

@Lien: Who cares if the US lost?

Man... who cares... the U.S lost!

This is gonna to be less funny once the World Cup ends.

As a sax player I gotta say that is a reasonably accurate sax. Cheeks shouldn't puff for a good sax player though. Also, sax isn't hard to learn or complicated. It's hard to *master* though.

ALSO FUCK VUVUZELAS.

i was forced to listen to the damn thing go BZZZZ on TV when a group of "doods" walked in to a pizza joint i like AFTER i placed my order and payed, i heard it constantly for about 25 minutes, so i can only imagine what the whole event must be like (i don't really care for the sport)

can't really argue against that

Hah. The horns just a little annoying eh?

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Classic/Retro was here. Hardcore and Casual are losers.

No one has done this one yet? That vuvuzela's a spah!

@CnEY: It's not about the players, it's about the games. You can either have a rich and nuanced experience, or you can have vuvuzelas. Of course, there is a fairly large middle ground, so this whole thing is a bit of a strawman on both sides.

http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/nerfnow.com/comic/330

MANDATORY

Oh jeez, shit storm.

'Course, there is no such thing as "casual" or "hardcore" - they're both marketing terms created to nicely divide games into two categories. Chess, for instance, is pretty easy to learn and a lot of people play it. There's also extremely high-level play.

@SAC:

Changing "hardcore" to "mainstream" doesn't make sense since mainstream and casual are the same thing.

I can almost guarantee that either a Vuvuzala Hero or Rockband: Vuvuzala Edition is in the works for all platforms.

http://www.boingboing.net/_wp-content_uploads_2010_06_vuvuzela-hero-550x4121.jpg

'nuff said

Could barely watch the World Cup with those vuvuzelas going on. Now that the US is eliminated, now I don't have to anymore.

Just kidding :p, Ronaldo and Kaka are still in it so it's all good.

Jazz is good.

Oh boy, I love the World Cup! It's so good to see so many different nationalities of the world get together and play some Soccer! May the best nation win the game of Soccer!

Soccer! BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

BZZ, BZZZ, BZZZZZZZZ, you can hear this loud annoying piece of instrument when only that this can only last for a lifetime.

I just hope these football players leave soon as they have ruined the Vuvuzela Concerts by deliberately starting their games during the Vuvuzelist's warmups.

Completely disrespectful!

A big BZZZZ to you, ya BZZZZing footballers!

It's funny cause it's true :)

oh snap funny cause it's true

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@SAC: Well, "Mainstream" is more a term for what is the most popular (or what people MAINLY play) which can be "hardcore" or "casual" games. While it sucks, the description you used for hardcore is very appropriate. It refers to someone who spends a ridiculous amount of time and energy on a game.

And another thing:


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Yo dawg, I heard you like music so we put some vuvuselas in your head so you can BZZZZZZZT while you think.

Man, some people are NOT going to get this comic.

Also? BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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Except that Kinect and Move WON'T be cheap... Also, I'd sooner equate a lot of the "hardcore" gamers I hear online to a swarm of killer vuvuzelas.

I hear they're like a free souvenir. If so, screw that.

Otherwise, I'm not a big fan of the term "hardcore" for videogames. Draws up imagines of a ritalin popping squeaky voiced 13 year old droolbucket playing XBox in his underpants and screaming profanities.

"Mainstream" I like better.

"-liked by many
-Popular, everybody loves it"

Only fags like vuvuzelas, they suck dick and everybody hate that noisy thing >:(

I agree hardcore is the way to go.